Comments on: Craying and frogging http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/2006/02/craying-and-frogging/ Some random thoughts, gently stewed, served on a bed of love Tue, 09 Mar 2010 03:12:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Ceris Ash http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/2006/02/craying-and-frogging/comment-page-1/#comment-44808 Ceris Ash Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:55:15 +0000 http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/?p=87#comment-44808 Hi Stewart, I have started a group at Springbrook called Springbrook Wildlife Appreciation Group-SWAG. Our aim is to educate ourselves on the local amazing wildlife.I am interested in getting in contact with your friend Kat as I would love someone to come and give us a talk about blue crays.With the recent rain they are all on the move and it would be great to get some idea how far they go. Who they mate with etc. Hope you can help. Ceris Hi Stewart,

I have started a group at Springbrook called Springbrook Wildlife Appreciation Group-SWAG. Our aim is to educate ourselves on the local amazing wildlife.I am interested in getting in contact with your friend Kat as I would love someone to come and give us a talk about blue crays.With the recent rain they are all on the move and it would be great to get some idea how far they go. Who they mate with etc. Hope you can help. Ceris

]]> By: Wallum frogging | Stewed Thoughts by Stewart Macdonald http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/2006/02/craying-and-frogging/comment-page-1/#comment-43318 Wallum frogging | Stewed Thoughts by Stewart Macdonald Thu, 06 Aug 2009 05:30:56 +0000 http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/?p=87#comment-43318 [...] friend Kat (of crayfish fame) is now doing a PhD looking at factors that influence the distribution of these wallum froggies. I [...] [...] friend Kat (of crayfish fame) is now doing a PhD looking at factors that influence the distribution of these wallum froggies. I [...]

]]> By: Ed Meyer http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/2006/02/craying-and-frogging/comment-page-1/#comment-104 Ed Meyer Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:50:20 +0000 http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/?p=87#comment-104 Stew et al., re. the frogs in the trough. The first (uppermost) is the black-soled frog (Lechriodus fletcheri), the second is a boof-headed adult male tusked frog (Adelotus brevis) (girls are more gracile with a more appropriately-sized head). P.S. Nice pics of the panda snail and crayfish. Stew et al.,

re. the frogs in the trough. The first (uppermost) is the black-soled frog (Lechriodus fletcheri), the second is a boof-headed adult male tusked frog (Adelotus brevis) (girls are more gracile with a more appropriately-sized head).

P.S. Nice pics of the panda snail and crayfish.

]]> By: Stewart http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/2006/02/craying-and-frogging/comment-page-1/#comment-92 Stewart Thu, 09 Feb 2006 06:55:04 +0000 http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/?p=87#comment-92 OK, Steve asked the guy who <a href="http://www.publish.csiro.au/naturalselection/nid/18/pid/3810.htm" rel="nofollow">wrote the book</a>. I've edited the body of the post with identifications. OK, Steve asked the guy who wrote the book. I’ve edited the body of the post with identifications.

]]> By: Stewart http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/2006/02/craying-and-frogging/comment-page-1/#comment-86 Stewart Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:31:09 +0000 http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/?p=87#comment-86 They were larger than I thought <em>Adelotus brevis</em> got to. I think about 7 cm SVL, but I'm not 100% sure. Next time I'm there I'll definitely get my hands dirty and take some better photos. They were larger than I thought Adelotus brevis got to. I think about 7 cm SVL, but I’m not 100% sure. Next time I’m there I’ll definitely get my hands dirty and take some better photos.

]]> By: Beth http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/2006/02/craying-and-frogging/comment-page-1/#comment-85 Beth Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:28:56 +0000 http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/?p=87#comment-85 I agree with all your remarks, Steve. I couldn't conclusively identify either frog, which has me intrigued! I have sent the link to Ed Meyer, and will keep you posted on his conclusion. BTW, what was their approximate length, Stew? I agree with all your remarks, Steve. I couldn’t conclusively identify either frog, which has me intrigued!

I have sent the link to Ed Meyer, and will keep you posted on his conclusion.

BTW, what was their approximate length, Stew?

]]> By: Stephen http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/2006/02/craying-and-frogging/comment-page-1/#comment-83 Stephen Thu, 09 Feb 2006 05:03:49 +0000 http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/?p=87#comment-83 Well, it's that or catch the King Cricket (Australostoma sp.) for me. Someone I know is interested in studying the taxonomy (see http://www.ento.csiro.au/aicn/system/stenopel.htm) of Australian King Crickets, and he'd appreciate the specimen. FWIW it looks like a girl. Steve Well, it’s that or catch the King Cricket (Australostoma sp.) for me. Someone I know is interested in studying the taxonomy (see http://www.ento.csiro.au/aicn/system/stenopel.htm) of Australian King Crickets, and he’d appreciate the specimen.

FWIW it looks like a girl.

Steve

]]> By: Stewart http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/2006/02/craying-and-frogging/comment-page-1/#comment-79 Stewart Thu, 09 Feb 2006 04:26:45 +0000 http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/?p=87#comment-79 But that would involve getting my hands wet! But that would involve getting my hands wet!

]]> By: Stephen http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/2006/02/craying-and-frogging/comment-page-1/#comment-78 Stephen Thu, 09 Feb 2006 04:21:10 +0000 http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/?p=87#comment-78 Beth, Truthfully, I'm really not sure what they are. An image from a different angle (belly or side shot) would really help. They may even be different species, although the leg patterning does look very similar. Adelotus brevis has bumpy skin, and when it's wet they appear quite shiny. The leg length in the first image is something I'm not comfortable with for A. brevis. But I can't rule them out based on the leg patterning, body shape and patterning, and the blotch between the eyes. I wouldn't be surprised if they aren't Tusked Frogs, but at this stage they're more in than out. They're definitely not M. fasciolatus. Leg barring and thigh colouration is not agreeable, and neither is body patterning. They may be Mixophyes iteratus, but it's only a possibility. I'd expect more gold in the eye from the overhead shot. They may be a Limnodynastes species, but I'd expect the middle toe to be much longer on the rear leg. They may be a Uperoleia species, but I see no evidence of a parotoid gland. Possibly Cyclorana, but leg patterning is all wrong. I also know of no Litoria with that leg patterning. It's easier to rule these out than in. Stewart, next time take a belly shot and that way it will be unequivocal. Steve Beth,

Truthfully, I’m really not sure what they are. An image from a different angle (belly or side shot) would really help. They may even be different species, although the leg patterning does look very similar.

Adelotus brevis has bumpy skin, and when it’s wet they appear quite shiny. The leg length in the first image is something I’m not comfortable with for A. brevis. But I can’t rule them out based on the leg patterning, body shape and patterning, and the blotch between the eyes. I wouldn’t be surprised if they aren’t Tusked Frogs, but at this stage they’re more in than out.

They’re definitely not M. fasciolatus. Leg barring and thigh colouration is not agreeable, and neither is body patterning. They may be Mixophyes iteratus, but it’s only a possibility. I’d expect more gold in the eye from the overhead shot.

They may be a Limnodynastes species, but I’d expect the middle toe to be much longer on the rear leg. They may be a Uperoleia species, but I see no evidence of a parotoid gland. Possibly Cyclorana, but leg patterning is all wrong. I also know of no Litoria with that leg patterning. It’s easier to rule these out than in.

Stewart, next time take a belly shot and that way it will be unequivocal.

Steve

]]> By: Stewart http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/2006/02/craying-and-frogging/comment-page-1/#comment-45 Stewart Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:27:25 +0000 http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/?p=87#comment-45 When I saw the barring on the legs I immediately thought <em>Mixophyes</em>. But the body has markings that aren't really typical of <em>Mixophyes</em>. When I saw the barring on the legs I immediately thought Mixophyes. But the body has markings that aren’t really typical of Mixophyes.

]]> By: Beth http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/2006/02/craying-and-frogging/comment-page-1/#comment-44 Beth Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:22:58 +0000 http://www.stewartmacdonald.com.au/blog/?p=87#comment-44 Wow - so cool! I don't agree with the identification of those frogs as <em>Adelotus brevis</em> though... Tusked frogs have quite warty, rugose skin and short limbs, whereas your photos show that the skin is very smooth. The extremely long legs and bold barring on the thighs makes me think they're juvenile <em>Mixophyes fasciolatus</em>. Check with Ed - he'll know for sure. Wow – so cool!

I don’t agree with the identification of those frogs as Adelotus brevis though… Tusked frogs have quite warty, rugose skin and short limbs, whereas your photos show that the skin is very smooth.

The extremely long legs and bold barring on the thighs makes me think they’re juvenile Mixophyes fasciolatus. Check with Ed – he’ll know for sure.

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